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we've been insisting that we should have those negotiations between boehner, reid, everybody forgets harry reid is in the room and obama with c-span cameras there so every american can see what actually happens. if they saw what they're talking about, we would have a much better deal at the end of the day. melissa: i don't know. i think we would all be in agony watching what was happening there. >> you wouldn't have to watch the whole thing but somebody could tell you what happened. melissa: grover, thanks so much. here is our "money" question of the day, should grover norquist give into tax hikes? many of you mentioned he is not elected official. we know what you mean. like us on facebook.co facebook.com/melissafrancisfox or foal neon twitter -- follow me on twitter at melissa a francis. detroit is the latest possibility of being latest and biggest city to file for chapter 9 bankruptcy. detroit mayor binge said the city will lay off 400 to 500 workers in the nexx few months. it will take a lot more than that to keep the city from going broke. we're joined by michigan senator rick jo
we've been insisting that we should have those negotiations between boehner, reid, everybody forgets harry reid is in the room and obama with c-span cameras there so every american can see what actually happens. if they saw what they're talking about, we would have a much better deal at the end of the day. melissa: i don't know. i think we would all be in agony watching what was happening there. >> you wouldn't have to watch the whole thing but somebody could tell you what happened....
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yesterday president and speaker john boehner met at the white house. a spokesperson says today discussions with the white house are taking place, but we have no detail to share about the substance of those conversations, but he did add republicans are waiting for spending cuts proposals from the president to get a deal on the fiscal cliff, but if you republicans now say that maybe the best strategy for them is to accept some higher tax rates the president is demanding, get that out of the way and then come back entitlement reform early next year before the president asked for an increase in the debt ceiling. republicans will have a little more leverage with that. >> there's a hardening on the republican side. we will not raise the debt ceiling. iwe will not let obama borrow ay more money for any american congress borrow any more money until we fix this country from becoming grease and that that rs significant entitlement reform. >> the senator is not one of those supporting higher tax rates on wealthier families, he favors capping tax deductions on the
yesterday president and speaker john boehner met at the white house. a spokesperson says today discussions with the white house are taking place, but we have no detail to share about the substance of those conversations, but he did add republicans are waiting for spending cuts proposals from the president to get a deal on the fiscal cliff, but if you republicans now say that maybe the best strategy for them is to accept some higher tax rates the president is demanding, get that out of the way...
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i appla like charlie gasperino barack obama's success, john boehner's success, came in hume beginnings, but neither one of us are doing us a favor. neither one of them are deserving of hero worship in a country falling apart. >> i didn't think we should be hero worshipping the president, what i said he's an admirable man that did great things. >> sure, absolutely. >> in this country. i don't agree with his agenda. >> you argue that we haven't lost, to dages point we have it in us, but we haven't shown it? >> the lmakers in washington don't, they're a bunch of gutless weasels who don't-- >> that language there. >> furthermore it's not productive language. well, they're not productive, and criticizing me for calling them gutless when that's exactly what they are. >> i'm trying to draw a distinction between-- >> come on. the gutle weasels on the one hand and not doing a good enough job on the other nd, let's cheer them on and say we honor your service, now, do a better job. >> yeah i got cheered when i didn'tnloadhe dishwasher when i was a kid instead sent to the corner and sit there r th
i appla like charlie gasperino barack obama's success, john boehner's success, came in hume beginnings, but neither one of us are doing us a favor. neither one of them are deserving of hero worship in a country falling apart. >> i didn't think we should be hero worshipping the president, what i said he's an admirable man that did great things. >> sure, absolutely. >> in this country. i don't agree with his agenda. >> you argue that we haven't lost, to dages point we have...
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dispatch the lieutenants in this case because it is president of the united states and speaker boehner and what not of the as i said you send out your feelers behind the scenes for back rm discussions if not negotiations that the erican public is never going to berivy too of course. melissa: yeah. >> i would be very surprised if that wasn't going on because the magnitude of what this means to this country and the economy of this country is so profound that i would be shocked if, that there is --. melissa: well, i don't know. you're going back to giving them a lot of credit. i'm not sure i'm willing to go there with you. what do you think of tte fact boboth sides come out instantly after an offer is that it is terrible? president obama was out here, blink of the eye after republicans came out with their plan to say this is not in the spirit. >> today you're talking about? messa: yeah, today. what does that tell you? should we read anything into at or is that -- >> again i wl liken it to there are plenty o people far more ucated on this than i but from a negotiation standpoint i think ag
dispatch the lieutenants in this case because it is president of the united states and speaker boehner and what not of the as i said you send out your feelers behind the scenes for back rm discussions if not negotiations that the erican public is never going to berivy too of course. melissa: yeah. >> i would be very surprised if that wasn't going on because the magnitude of what this means to this country and the economy of this country is so profound that i would be shocked if, that...
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speaker boehnerments to -- boehner wants to talk face to face with the president, and the president wants to talk to no one. teaching students everything a student should never become, the union uses a cartoon to talk taxes. you decide, is this teacher's union all wet? after months of campaigning for the president, bill clinton and the president should be best of friends; right? ed, author of "the amateur" says his sources say they are anything but. ♪ [ engine revs ] ♪ ♪ [ male annouer ] the mercedes-benz winter event is back, with the perfect vehicle that's just right for you, no matter which list you're on. [ santa ] h ho, ho, ho! [ male announcer ] lease a 2013 ml350 for $599 a month at your local mercedes-benz dealer. at your local and you see the woman you fell in love witd but your erectile dysfunction - that could be a question of blood flow. cialis tadalafil for daily use helps you be ready anytime the moment's right. you can be more confident in your ability to be ready. and the same cialis is theonlyd to treat ed and symptoms of bph, like needing to go frequently or urgent
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speaker boehnerments to -- boehner wants to talk face to face with the president, and the president wants to talk to no one. teaching students everything a student shld never become, the union uses a cartoon to talk taxes. you decide, is this teacher's union all wet? after months of campaigning for the president, bill clinton and the president should be best of friends; rig? ed, author of "the amateur"ays his sources say they are anything but. ♪ ♪ [ engine revs ] ♪ [ male announcer ] oh what fun it is to ride. get the mercedes-benz on your wish list atthe winter event going on now through december 31st. [ santa ] ho, , ho! [ male announcer ] lease a 2013 e350 for $579 a month at your lal rcede deale lieu lie -- lou: well, you got to love former president bill clinton, interesting words on the fiscal cliff. in an event in sacramento, the president declared the whole standoff between president obama and the republicans as, quote, just a kabooky dance, two dogs that meet each other over a piece of meet, sniffing each other out, and moving towards a deal. with that elegance in mind,d, w
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we had a meeting with harry reid and speaker john boehner. the executive board message was as you are dealing with tough decisions that have to be made, to make sure that we don't over the fiscal cliff, don't shift the burden downward. we understand that there is a shared sacrifice. we ask for flexibility when it comes to programs that are funded by the federal government and federal monies. we need flex ability to be able to determine what is in the best interest of our state. how we can best serve the population. gerri: the truth is the states only have so much flex ability because you have to meet your budget. the federal government doesn't. but i want to show who is in washington. it was scott walker, gary herbert, mark dayton, jack markell. all the leadership of the governors association. what kind of response did you get? we are not passing anything onto you guys. >> the president was very cordial and respectful to the governors. and we believe that we have a stake in this process, and he felt like we could offer some ideas of ways that
we had a meeting with harry reid and speaker john boehner. the executive board message was as you are dealing with tough decisions that have to be made, to make sure that we don't over the fiscal cliff, don't shift the burden downward. we understand that there is a shared sacrifice. we ask for flexibility when it comes to programs that are funded by the federal government and federal monies. we need flex ability to be able to determine what is in the best interest of our state. how we can best...
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john boehner nervous going into the weekend. long term still very good buy, holding above the 100 day moving average. we're seeing record amounts of gold going into etfs. big players are still very bullish on this market and we're hanging in there. let's move into the oil market a little bit as well. the oil market has been struggling. big supplies. we did get a bounce off the jobs report. we're back down a little bit today. and considering the fact that yes, we're way oversupplied in gasoline right now and there's a lot of supply of oil, you still have to worry about the concerns about the middle east heating up. going into a weekend i'm amazed we're not getting more of a rally off of that. back to you melissa and adam. melissa: that's a great point. phil flynn, thanks so much. adam: we have breaking news right now and this is of verying ford. ford is recalling 19,000 of 2013 fusion sedans for another -- this is the second recall for this vehicle according to "the wall street journal" here's the issue. it has to do with a codin
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the speaker of the house john boehner. let's listen in. >> the tax hikes that the president campaigned on, that had more stimulus spending then cuts. and indefinite, infinite increase on the debt limit forever. four days ago, we offered a serious proposal based on testimony of president clinton's former chief of staff. since then, there has been no counter offer from the white house. reports indicate that the president has adopted a strategy to slow walk our economy right to the edge of the fiscal cliff. instead of reforming the tax code, the president wants to raise tax rates. even if the president that the tax rate hike that he wanted, understand that we will continue to see trillion dollar deficits for as far as the eye can see. washington has a spending3 problem, not a revenue problem. if the president does not agree with our proposal, i believe he has an obligation to families and small businesses to offer a plan of his own. we are ready and eager to talk to the president about such plan. >> you did speak with the pre
the speaker of the house john boehner. let's listen in. >> the tax hikes that the president campaigned on, that had more stimulus spending then cuts. and indefinite, infinite increase on the debt limit forever. four days ago, we offered a serious proposal based on testimony of president clinton's former chief of staff. since then, there has been no counter offer from the white house. reports indicate that the president has adopted a strategy to slow walk our economy right to the edge of...
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president does twitter q&a and response from boehner. the whole thing is nonsensical. >> we're looking not to be played and one of the ways we're doing that to point out, for example, the republicans have been incentivized to simply stand up and say until you come to the table and literally come to the table with john boehner and the president leading that discussion, at a given table on a given set of parameters to go forward, not much is going to happen. secondly they have incentivized the republicans to say, you know that sequestration deal? $1.22trillion in budget cuts and $600 billion in tax increases, you know what? if that is the best deal on the table, mr. president, the heck with you. we'll go with you. we'll accept your deal because that deal was created between both parties, the president and congress. and nobody can deny that. lori: perspective for you. thanks, lou. >> you got it. lori: you can catch lou every day with melissa and me at this time of course 7:00 and 10:00 eastern. tonight, michael roo mere recent for investors
president does twitter q&a and response from boehner. the whole thing is nonsensical. >> we're looking not to be played and one of the ways we're doing that to point out, for example, the republicans have been incentivized to simply stand up and say until you come to the table and literally come to the table with john boehner and the president leading that discussion, at a given table on a given set of parameters to go forward, not much is going to happen. secondly they have...
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speaker boehner is demanding a face-to-face meeting with president obama and the pentagon is preparing for the worst. >> it could take a week to clear out the backlog of ships. we're live at the port of los angeles straight ahead. tracy: time for stocks as we do every 15 minutes. nicole petallides on the floor of the new york stock exchange. it has been a wild ride. a lot of it has to do with apple, right? >> the big picture, markets are higher. apple has come under pressure. let's look at the major market averages. the dow is up triple digits, completely erasing losses over last couple days. posting a gain for the week. tech-heavy nasdaq pom cost it is moving to the because weighed down by apple. research and findings have found that apple faces intense competition in the tablet market for ipad and ipad mini and probably will lose market share to android and even microsoft systems. you're seeing apple down 28, almost 29 bucks. a terrible day if you're a shareholder hoping to get to the upside. a lot of folks hope it will get back to 700. not today. look at citigroup on the other hand
speaker boehner is demanding a face-to-face meeting with president obama and the pentagon is preparing for the worst. >> it could take a week to clear out the backlog of ships. we're live at the port of los angeles straight ahead. tracy: time for stocks as we do every 15 minutes. nicole petallides on the floor of the new york stock exchange. it has been a wild ride. a lot of it has to do with apple, right? >> the big picture, markets are higher. apple has come under pressure. let's...
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seemed to be putting in to place with boehner and then boehner walked away, as well, and the whole thing fell apart. i think you have seen an acknowledgment. if the president and boehner come to an agreement then the senate will come along, the house democrat wills come along. a number of them will. these are really the key negotiators and has to be done at that level to get something finished. >> jonathan, i have to say i'm a little bit skeptical about one aspect of this. it looks like we're closer and closer to a deal where rates rise. so conservative republicans will be asked to raise rates, something that's been anath ma to the party and the far right wing. and then you guys are reporting over at politico the next battle is going to be immigration reform. where they're likely to be asked to support what many of them would have sort of offensively and wrongly called amnesty for illegals. isn't there a revolt on the right in the house republican caucus in particular? >> i certainly think that there is possibly some carryover effect of one issue to the next, particularly if the right fe
seemed to be putting in to place with boehner and then boehner walked away, as well, and the whole thing fell apart. i think you have seen an acknowledgment. if the president and boehner come to an agreement then the senate will come along, the house democrat wills come along. a number of them will. these are really the key negotiators and has to be done at that level to get something finished. >> jonathan, i have to say i'm a little bit skeptical about one aspect of this. it looks like...
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boehner. i think again you are getting arrogance and huborous on the part of the president, who has a hand in this, and i think if he goes off that's a bridge too far for him. if he goes off to hawaii and spends three weeks there, and no deal happens and the fiscal cliff hits and we've got the largest tax increase in history and the markets plummet and he's sitting over there splashing in the surf, i don't think he can do it. >> i wonder what other nations think about us? this is, you know, is it a terrible problem we are going through right now, but we look like we can't handle our own business. we can't talk to each other, we can't figure out our own economics, and i can't think what kind of morale authority do we have in the world when we look so pathetic, so pathetic in terms of how we handle things and the fact that we don't? >> the problem with the american people is today they are -- greta, they are as deeply divided and polarized as we have almost ever been. look what boehner is could
boehner. i think again you are getting arrogance and huborous on the part of the president, who has a hand in this, and i think if he goes off that's a bridge too far for him. if he goes off to hawaii and spends three weeks there, and no deal happens and the fiscal cliff hits and we've got the largest tax increase in history and the markets plummet and he's sitting over there splashing in the surf, i don't think he can do it. >> i wonder what other nations think about us? this is, you...
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the president sends the treasury secretary, geithner, to boehner and to mcconnell. he pockets the $800 billion. he double ths it and says i want 1.6 trillion. he demand not only no spending cuts of any importance but increased stimulus in spending which is preposterous when you're running trillion dollar deficit. and just to add insult, and here's the insult, he demands congress give up the power to control the deficit. that's obviously meanlt to humiliate the republicans. it's a non-starter. it's not acceptable. it's a way of saying to boehner you want to hand me your sword, you want to hand me your shirt? i want your trousers as well. the white house is not budging, and everybody's waiting, meaning the media, the administration are waiting for republicans to cave. >> look. i agree totally with you and their posture, their public posture appears that they're going that way. i'll give you a quick example. when john boehner started to answer the other day and he said well, our plan is to raise revenues on the rich, he was co opting barack obama's language and we read
the president sends the treasury secretary, geithner, to boehner and to mcconnell. he pockets the $800 billion. he double ths it and says i want 1.6 trillion. he demand not only no spending cuts of any importance but increased stimulus in spending which is preposterous when you're running trillion dollar deficit. and just to add insult, and here's the insult, he demands congress give up the power to control the deficit. that's obviously meanlt to humiliate the republicans. it's a non-starter....
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i believe you will be meeting with speaker boehner later on this afternoon. what's yourrsense right now? >> well, i'm anxious to hear what speaker boehner and majority leader reid have to say to us also and see what congress's side of the issue is. but i believe the pressures will come to be they have got to find a solution. i'm here to tell you, failure is not an option. speaking for my own state and other states are similar, if we go over the fiscal cliff, it will have significant ramifications, particularly to the economy. i'm in a state that is actually has healthy growth going on economically right now and will have surplus money, growth money coming in to help us balance the budget in this upcoming fiscal year. if they go over the fiscal cliff we'll lose money. we'll have to cut programs. that is just not acceptable. i believe good people can come together and find compromise. compromise is not a dirty word. ashley: it is not. >> as governors we ought to help them get it to happen. ashley: best of luck. get that message out there. governor gary herbert
i believe you will be meeting with speaker boehner later on this afternoon. what's yourrsense right now? >> well, i'm anxious to hear what speaker boehner and majority leader reid have to say to us also and see what congress's side of the issue is. but i believe the pressures will come to be they have got to find a solution. i'm here to tell you, failure is not an option. speaking for my own state and other states are similar, if we go over the fiscal cliff, it will have significant...
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this response is boehner saying, not so fast, mr. president. >> in terms of -- i know you don't have details on the medicare. are there any details on where the revenue comes from? in terms of exemptions and loopholes? do we know if all the exemptions and loopholes are taken off the table? for example, if mortgage and charity is still there? >> we just have detail describing this as revenue through tax reform. presumably there would be some changes to the revenue code that would get you the $600 billion -- i'm sorry, $800 billion in additional revenue the speaker is talking about here. where he gets that from, we'll have to get that answer from the speaker's office. you can imagine right now their phone lines are scrammed and operators are not standing by. >> thanks. you have to start somewhere. >> let's get reaction. s & p capital, jeff cox at cnbc headquarters and rick santelli in chicago. sam, where do you stand on all this? what's your take in terms of republicans coming out with their plan, post the president's plan released thi
this response is boehner saying, not so fast, mr. president. >> in terms of -- i know you don't have details on the medicare. are there any details on where the revenue comes from? in terms of exemptions and loopholes? do we know if all the exemptions and loopholes are taken off the table? for example, if mortgage and charity is still there? >> we just have detail describing this as revenue through tax reform. presumably there would be some changes to the revenue code that would get...
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he met with speaker boehner yesterday. that's the first face to face in nearly a month and their one on one first one since july 2011. now, the other strategy as michigan congressman clark explains is going to the people. >> i think the best way to break this political gridlock in washington is to go to the american people because it's we the people that demand that the politicians and congress resolve this fiscal cliff but resolve in it a way that makes our country stronger. >> let me bring in the "news nation" political panel. neimalik henderson and goodfreend and contributor michael smerkonish. you the people, you talk to folks all day long on the radio show that you have that's syndicated in cities and states. what do you make of the president picking up where he left off so often going straight to the folks at snoem. >> he is really mained a full court press that began in the campaign season and never ended after election day and i think that two-prong attack you reference is good politics and seems to be working in l
he met with speaker boehner yesterday. that's the first face to face in nearly a month and their one on one first one since july 2011. now, the other strategy as michigan congressman clark explains is going to the people. >> i think the best way to break this political gridlock in washington is to go to the american people because it's we the people that demand that the politicians and congress resolve this fiscal cliff but resolve in it a way that makes our country stronger. >> let...
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president obama and house speaker john boehner met at the white house for another round of talks to avert the fiscal cliff. both sides say they're keeping the lines of communications open but no word of a break through. >> president obama and house speaker john boehner were behind closed doors trying to break the stalemate that threatens to take the country over the fiscal cliff in just over three weeks. one by one republicans are bowing to the president's demand that taxes go up for the wealthy. >> will i accept a tax increase as a part of a deal to actually solve our problems? yes. we don't have a lot of cards as it relates to the tax issue before you're in. i mean, we have one house that's it. the presidency and the senate in the democrat's hand. >> since we agree with the democrats 98% of the people and 08% of the bush tax cuts i would get that off the table now. >> democrats insist taxes are going up on the rich no matter what. >> if you don't increase tax rates on the highest 2% of income owners you cannot generate enough revenue to have meaningful deficit reduction. >> republicans
president obama and house speaker john boehner met at the white house for another round of talks to avert the fiscal cliff. both sides say they're keeping the lines of communications open but no word of a break through. >> president obama and house speaker john boehner were behind closed doors trying to break the stalemate that threatens to take the country over the fiscal cliff in just over three weeks. one by one republicans are bowing to the president's demand that taxes go up for the...
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president obama and john boehner. even all sides of the party are excluded. >>> with 25 days before taxes go up for nearly every single american, what effect will the jobs report have on the fiscal standoff? we'll get live remarks from john boehner who is going to try to use the jobs report to the republican's advantage. representative, let's start with the november jobs report numbers. they look very good, good news overall for the koirnlt tree. but speaker boehner said this, the democrats plan to slow walk our economy to the edge of the fiscal cliff instead of engaging in serious talks to avert the cliff, that includes spending cuts and tax reforms the president once supported. the white house has only offered a joke. i understand we have speaker boehner to the microphones. let's take a listen. >> when it comes to the fiscal cliff that's threatening our economy and threatening jobs, the white house has wasted another week. eight days ago secretary geithner came here to offer a plan that had twice the tax hikes that
president obama and john boehner. even all sides of the party are excluded. >>> with 25 days before taxes go up for nearly every single american, what effect will the jobs report have on the fiscal standoff? we'll get live remarks from john boehner who is going to try to use the jobs report to the republican's advantage. representative, let's start with the november jobs report numbers. they look very good, good news overall for the koirnlt tree. but speaker boehner said this, the...
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a spokesperson for boehner says today, quote: discussions with the white house are taking place, but we have no detail to share about the substance of these conversations. he adds that republicans are waiting on specific spending cut proposals from the president to get a deal on the fiscal cliff. but a few republicans now say that maybe the best strategy for them is to accept some higher tax rate that is the president is demanding, get that off the table and then come back to entitlement reform early next year when the president asks for an increase in the debt ceiling. then republicans will have a little more leverage. >> there's a hardening on the republican side. we're not going to raise the debt ceiling. we're not going to let obama borrow any more money or any american congress borrow any more money until we fix this country from becoming greece, and that requires significant entitlement reform. >> reporter: for the record, senator graham is not one of those who favors increasing tax rates on the wealthy. he favors more revenue from them by capping deductions. cheryl and dennis.
a spokesperson for boehner says today, quote: discussions with the white house are taking place, but we have no detail to share about the substance of these conversations. he adds that republicans are waiting on specific spending cut proposals from the president to get a deal on the fiscal cliff. but a few republicans now say that maybe the best strategy for them is to accept some higher tax rate that is the president is demanding, get that off the table and then come back to entitlement reform...
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we have a bright side yesterday when john boehner came here to the white house. house speaker to talk to president obama. first individual one on one meeting since the election and that meeting and some other signals that have been sent publicly by both parties have caused some noted skeptics of us getting a fiscal cliff deal. >> i think the atmospherics are getting so much better. we've gotten out after ka bookie theater and gone to dancing the tango with those two guys. any time you start to tango, you have a chance. >> chances of getting it done now are better. i think that's what's key. >> part of that tango is republicans cracking on tax rates. that's what president obama will be talking about in michigan today. keeping the public pressure on. but the part for the administrator point of view, tyler, is what do they live john boehner so he can bring his troops along, entitlement, spending cuts, to tell their members we got a good deal. >> john, i find it curious to find that president spent as much time as he has on the road trying to drum up support for this
we have a bright side yesterday when john boehner came here to the white house. house speaker to talk to president obama. first individual one on one meeting since the election and that meeting and some other signals that have been sent publicly by both parties have caused some noted skeptics of us getting a fiscal cliff deal. >> i think the atmospherics are getting so much better. we've gotten out after ka bookie theater and gone to dancing the tango with those two guys. any time you...
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boehner i think is trying to rise above partisanship and get a deal. i think he's been very valiant. but sit going to take a toll on the gop internally? >> larry, i was at a very prominent conservative meeting in washington today, and you know who showed up? a congressman from kansas. he was booted off of his committee earlier today and he was very angry talking to conservative activists. here's why conservatives are angry. as this fiscal cliff negotiations continues, they think boehner is trying to warn conservatives about going against any kind of deal he cuts with the white house. so as a warning, boehner is saying i'm going to boot you off your committee if you go against something i do. a lot of conservatives don't like it when he plays hardball. they're going to continue to fight back just like senator demint is doing right now. >> but he's also going to lose some votes on the moderate side. a couple dozen republican house members signed a bipartisan letter that says let's look at all kinds of tax rates, not just the deduction, but tax rates in r
boehner i think is trying to rise above partisanship and get a deal. i think he's been very valiant. but sit going to take a toll on the gop internally? >> larry, i was at a very prominent conservative meeting in washington today, and you know who showed up? a congressman from kansas. he was booted off of his committee earlier today and he was very angry talking to conservative activists. here's why conservatives are angry. as this fiscal cliff negotiations continues, they think boehner...
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consensus on how to back seat cut boehner. secretary of state hillary clinton finishes up her final weeks as america's top diplomat and has to contemplate her next move. the clinton world is not sitting quietly, though. t "the new york times" kicked off what is likely to become a monthly exercise by somebody in the media. we may come up with a meter. probably throw in jeb in there, right? we should call it the hillary jebatron version 2016. probably jon stewart starting that up already. jodie cantor interviewed a number of clinton aides about future plans and strikingly a lot of them talked. while clinton has dozens of options when she leaves the state department, cantor makes a smart observation. she is a big constraint. the more serious she is about 2016 the less she can do. no frank, seen it all memoir, no clients, commissions that could prove problematic in the 2016 primaries or the general. instead cantor reports that secretary clinton is considering writing an upbeat look at her time as secretary of state. not a painful
consensus on how to back seat cut boehner. secretary of state hillary clinton finishes up her final weeks as america's top diplomat and has to contemplate her next move. the clinton world is not sitting quietly, though. t "the new york times" kicked off what is likely to become a monthly exercise by somebody in the media. we may come up with a meter. probably throw in jeb in there, right? we should call it the hillary jebatron version 2016. probably jon stewart starting that up...
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the fact that we saw the president meeting with speaker boehner yesterday at the white house, we have to think that these conversations are getting into more detail. so i think today is when we'll maybe see some more of these details possibly shake loose. or there could be such a close hold because maybe progress is being made. >> all right. another interesting thing that i do want to talk about today is this article that politico has out dealing with republican leaders. and only adds to the question of who is the gop leader right now. 47% of republicans have a favorable view of mitt romney and congressman paul ryan. 47%. that number is just going to haunt them till the end of days. 29% say the same of house speaker john boehner. 39% view jeb bush in a favorable light. 36% of republicans haven't even heard of marco rubio. carrie, there's no definitive answer in all of this as to who republicans see emerging as a true leader moving forward. >> sure. that's the challenge that republicans face right now after mitt romney, who doesn't hold a public office where he can continue to sort of
the fact that we saw the president meeting with speaker boehner yesterday at the white house, we have to think that these conversations are getting into more detail. so i think today is when we'll maybe see some more of these details possibly shake loose. or there could be such a close hold because maybe progress is being made. >> all right. another interesting thing that i do want to talk about today is this article that politico has out dealing with republican leaders. and only adds to...
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this would be a better time, certainly coming off the heels of a face to face yesterday with speaker boehner, to spend more time behind closed doors hammering out a deal than going on the road? >> no. i think the best way to break this political gridlock in washington is to go directly to the american people because it's we the people that can demand the politicians and congress resolve this fiscal cliff, but resolve it in a way that makes our country stronger. that's why the president's come here to metro detroit. we're the home for u.s. manufacturing. also we're the home for the american worker. we need to resolve our fiscal problems, but resolve them in a way that continues to investigation in training and educating our workers and advanced manufacturing and also providing the revenue that we need to still provide health care to our seniors and social security to those who depend on it. >> sir, let's talk about getting to the sensible center here. because as the politico poll that i referenced earlier off the top of the show indicates, 59% oppose significant cuts to defense but 75% favor
this would be a better time, certainly coming off the heels of a face to face yesterday with speaker boehner, to spend more time behind closed doors hammering out a deal than going on the road? >> no. i think the best way to break this political gridlock in washington is to go directly to the american people because it's we the people that can demand the politicians and congress resolve this fiscal cliff, but resolve it in a way that makes our country stronger. that's why the president's...
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i think boehner understands that. it's an issue if he can convince his conference. >> if the deal is middle class people get their tax cut continued, 2% of people don't get it. is that a good deal for the president or is that a tricky deal by the republicans? >> no -- >> puts off the fight over spending. >> he decouples tax rates, which is what he's tried -- frankly, democrats have been trying to do this for eight years. this is an eight-year-long campaign to decouple the tax rates for the rich. so yes, i talked to a high-level aide today that said -- i said, if you don't get the big deal -- because right now we're basically that small deal, which would not be a small thing, doing that, but you might not get the large grand bargain that you hope for -- >> why wouldn't the republicans take cuts in entitlements, take cuts in general government spending as part of a deal. >> they don't think -- the president hasn't outlined the cuts in entitlements. this is where the political gamesmanship goes on their side. they sit th
i think boehner understands that. it's an issue if he can convince his conference. >> if the deal is middle class people get their tax cut continued, 2% of people don't get it. is that a good deal for the president or is that a tricky deal by the republicans? >> no -- >> puts off the fight over spending. >> he decouples tax rates, which is what he's tried -- frankly, democrats have been trying to do this for eight years. this is an eight-year-long campaign to decouple...
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well, president obama and speaker boehner met one on one at the white house last night. it was the first time in almost a month. neither side is talking about what happened. but today president obama continues his public campaign to pressure republicans to give on taxes. later this afternoon, he'll head to michigan to talk to auto workers outside a plant in detroit. >>> if you listen to the sunday shows, seems like some republicans are willing to give in on taxes to get where they want to go. entitlements. >> there is a growing group of folks that are looking at this and realizing that we don't have a lot of cards as it relates to the tax issue before year end. i mean, we have one house. that's it. the presidency and the senate is in the democrats' hands. a lot of people are putting forth a theory. i actually think it has merit. where you go ahead and give the president the 2% increase that he's talking about. the rate increase on the top 2%. and all of a sudden the shift goes back to entitlements. >> let me bring in "washington post" columnist danny milbank and "usa tod
well, president obama and speaker boehner met one on one at the white house last night. it was the first time in almost a month. neither side is talking about what happened. but today president obama continues his public campaign to pressure republicans to give on taxes. later this afternoon, he'll head to michigan to talk to auto workers outside a plant in detroit. >>> if you listen to the sunday shows, seems like some republicans are willing to give in on taxes to get where they want...
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and that requires some level of compromise with john boehner, with republicans. it's going to be an interesting first 100 days. because he's going to be dealing with both those issues having a pretty strong hand, but desperately needing republican help. >> jim vandehei, always good to have you on the program. >> thanks, chris. >>> today's tweet of the day might be an indication that people are starting to tune out all of the fiscal cliff rangling. lisa barton writes from now on whenever i hear or read the words "fiscal cliff" or any related bad metaphors, parts of my brain will shut down. #catatonic. plus a powerful decongestant. zyrtec-d® lets me breath freer, so i can love the air. [ male announcer ] zyrtec-d®. behind the pharmacy counter. no prescription needed. [ "the odd couple" theme playing ] humans. even when we cross our "t"s and dot our "i"s, we still run into problems -- mainly other humans. at liberty mutual insurance, we understand. that's why our auto policies come with accident forgiveness if you qualify, where your rates won't go up due to your
and that requires some level of compromise with john boehner, with republicans. it's going to be an interesting first 100 days. because he's going to be dealing with both those issues having a pretty strong hand, but desperately needing republican help. >> jim vandehei, always good to have you on the program. >> thanks, chris. >>> today's tweet of the day might be an indication that people are starting to tune out all of the fiscal cliff rangling. lisa barton writes from...
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john boehner is trying to valiantly make a compromise. as he said today he's not getting anywhere at all, okay? mr. obama wants higher tax rates. he also wants more revenues from capping deductions. he wants no entitlement reform or nothing to speak of. no discussion of spending cuts. obama wants even more spending increases. and a lot of republicans, conservatives, are saying you know what? we don't want a tax hike at all. we give boehner credit but we don't want a tax hike. this is not the time. it's a very anemic economy. let's just let the democrats have their tax hike and we'll be done with it. other than that, jimmy, i don't think this thing gets done. that's what i'm coming around to. >> well, i think that there's a chance to that. a chance for that to happen in the scenario that you just described. but i don't think that is what happens. frankly, i think with the vice president saying today that the issue of whether the top rate is 39.6 or 37 it's really doesn't matter. that was a huge olive branch as our colleague just said. this
john boehner is trying to valiantly make a compromise. as he said today he's not getting anywhere at all, okay? mr. obama wants higher tax rates. he also wants more revenues from capping deductions. he wants no entitlement reform or nothing to speak of. no discussion of spending cuts. obama wants even more spending increases. and a lot of republicans, conservatives, are saying you know what? we don't want a tax hike at all. we give boehner credit but we don't want a tax hike. this is not the...
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but house speaker john boehner says it's not a series plan. >> i was flabbergasted. i looked at him and said you can't be serious. i just never seen anything like it. >> if they are going to force higher rates on virtually all americans because they are not allowing tax rates to go up rob 2% of americans that is something we will have to face. >>> attorneys for oscar grant's family -- grant was shot and killed by police officer johannes mehserle on new years day back in 2009 in two oakland civil rights attorneys will argue before the ninth circuit court of appeals in san francisco that bart police officers should not receive legal immunity. last year a federal judge ruled to let the suit go forward but the officers appealed that ruling to the ninth circuit court. >>> this is day seven of a strike by clerical workers. contract talks between the workers and shippers at the ports of los angeles and long beach have resumed. the walk out by the clerk has dramatically slowed activity at the ports. dock workers are refusing to cross the picket lines. >>> oak 4:36 now. much
but house speaker john boehner says it's not a series plan. >> i was flabbergasted. i looked at him and said you can't be serious. i just never seen anything like it. >> if they are going to force higher rates on virtually all americans because they are not allowing tax rates to go up rob 2% of americans that is something we will have to face. >>> attorneys for oscar grant's family -- grant was shot and killed by police officer johannes mehserle on new years day back in...
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michigan today drumming up is the for his tax the rich plan, as his aides say he thinks he and john boehner will reach an agreement to avoid the fiscal cliff. >> there is a growing group of folks that are looking at this and realizing that we don't have a lot of cards as it relates to the tax issue before year end. i mean, we have one house, that's it. the presidency and the senate and the democrats' hands. >> coming up, here congressman chris van holland, the top house democrat in these talks. >> along with bill daley, the former white house chief of staff who prided over the last round of budget negotiations. in the meantime, the anti-union fight, which is michigan. the heart and soul of the labor movement. after saying it was their best prank ever, are these crocodile tears? the aussie dj's are all apologies now that the nurse has tragically committed suicide. >> i mean, personally i'm -- >> the thought that we may have played a part in that is gut wrenching. >> and speaking of tears, "saturday night live" spoofed the fiscal cliff talks this week in that opening skit. president obama say
michigan today drumming up is the for his tax the rich plan, as his aides say he thinks he and john boehner will reach an agreement to avoid the fiscal cliff. >> there is a growing group of folks that are looking at this and realizing that we don't have a lot of cards as it relates to the tax issue before year end. i mean, we have one house, that's it. the presidency and the senate and the democrats' hands. >> coming up, here congressman chris van holland, the top house democrat in...
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that's the question john boehner, the speaker of the house has. listen to him. >> this week we made a good faith offer to avert the fiscal crisis and that offer included significant spending cuts and reforms and it included additional revenue. frankly, it was the balanced approach that the president has been asking for. now we need a response from the white house. we can't sit here and negotiate with ourselves. and if the president doesn't agree with our proposal and our outline, i think he's got an obligation to send one to the congress. a plan that can pass both chambers of congress. if you look at the plans that the white house has talked about thus far, they couldn't pass either house of the congress. >> brian: hasn't because it's been presented before. here is one thing the president i think is banking on because he's playing his cards and it's a strategic approach. he's saying if i can divide boehner and the other house republicans, i could break this thing wide open and i could get what i need. and it turns out of all places, the "new york
that's the question john boehner, the speaker of the house has. listen to him. >> this week we made a good faith offer to avert the fiscal crisis and that offer included significant spending cuts and reforms and it included additional revenue. frankly, it was the balanced approach that the president has been asking for. now we need a response from the white house. we can't sit here and negotiate with ourselves. and if the president doesn't agree with our proposal and our outline, i think...
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>>governor huckabee: but speaker boehner is waiting on the meeting. all weeks the president should have stayed, mr. per officer -- mr. speaker boehner i need to speak with you at the white house and you never turn down that meeting. you call the meeting, you set the table. >>neil: but, governor, if you are seeing to back and forth --. >>guest: >>governor huckabee: it is not good because then you walk in the room and all that sense is there. if you are negotiating to the front page of the "washington post", it is not going well. >>neil: very interesting. i learn something every time with you. thank you are have much, governor. and his hit show is this weekend not as much as "fly me to the noon" special on sunday but okay. a company is ready to fly you to the noon. quite literally. but you better start saving because the p is out of this world. dry mouth may start off as an irritant. it'll cause cavities, bad breath. patients will try and deal with it by drinking water. water will work for a few seconds but if you're not drinking it, it's going to get d
>>governor huckabee: but speaker boehner is waiting on the meeting. all weeks the president should have stayed, mr. per officer -- mr. speaker boehner i need to speak with you at the white house and you never turn down that meeting. you call the meeting, you set the table. >>neil: but, governor, if you are seeing to back and forth --. >>guest: >>governor huckabee: it is not good because then you walk in the room and all that sense is there. if you are negotiating to the...
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boehner offered $800 billion over ten years. the white house wants $1.6 trillion. they have to meet on the numbers somewhere. at this point boehner's office is saying they have refused even to agree to a higher number. >> woodruff: finally, one is hearing some talk that one or the other side may feel it's better to wait until after january 1. >> well i think people are both sides are start of gaming out what happens if we to january. democrats feel that, you know, at that point everything becomes a tax cut because taxes are already up. so we'll be cutting taxes. and republicans maybe feel that, you know, you could see where that might be a good thing for them too. there are big pressures bushing against... pushing against that too. this is a congress that has been fighting over these issues for two years. corker has made this point as well. if we can't do it, we've been over all these issues. now is the time. there's going to be a new congress in january. you have to educate all these new people coming in. in addition to the economy, there are incentives to get it
boehner offered $800 billion over ten years. the white house wants $1.6 trillion. they have to meet on the numbers somewhere. at this point boehner's office is saying they have refused even to agree to a higher number. >> woodruff: finally, one is hearing some talk that one or the other side may feel it's better to wait until after january 1. >> well i think people are both sides are start of gaming out what happens if we to january. democrats feel that, you know, at that point...
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i say let boehner be boehner. let him negotiate the best possible way out of the box. which is what i think you're seeing happen now. >> you mentioned grover norquist. he's making a new prediction, by the way. let's listen. >> understand how ugly the next four years are going to get. everything in obamacare that obama didn't want you to focus on or think about, the 90% of his trillion-dollar tax increase was pushed over till after he got himself safely re-elected. all those regulations you're now hearing about, okay, those all hit after the election. we've got four bad years of regulation taxes. he wants to add higher taxes to that. tea party 2 is going to dwarf tea party 1 if obama pushes us off the cliff. >> so basically, jon, what grover norquist is saying there to members of the tea party set who have been elected, who were elected, is, you know, we're going to take everybody who is against us into a primary on your right. >> right. >> on the republican side. >> right. >> so the threat has been issued already,
i say let boehner be boehner. let him negotiate the best possible way out of the box. which is what i think you're seeing happen now. >> you mentioned grover norquist. he's making a new prediction, by the way. let's listen. >> understand how ugly the next four years are going to get. everything in obamacare that obama didn't want you to focus on or think about, the 90% of his trillion-dollar tax increase was pushed over till after he got himself safely re-elected. all those...
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president obama says he is giving in to republicans to save boehner face. >> you know what, republicans, you win, okay? you get what you want, but you lee had man alone. you leave this poor, orange man alone. you okay? >> yeah. >> i can't hear you. >> yes, yes. >> there he is. >> good day. i'm andrea mitchell live in washington. well, there they were side-by-side, and for real they were in the white house this weekend. president obama taking his message of middle class tax cuts and tax increases for the rich to detroit today. just as michigan is facing a big vote against union organizing in a state long identified with the labor movement. joining me now for our daily fix, msnbc contributor and managing editor of "post politics.com". good day to you. well, first of all, the labor movement really on the ropes now in michigan of all places. michigan where detroit, of course, was the heart of the auto movement, the auto union, and now you've got a vote -- final vote is tomorrow as the president is being greeted by rick snyder, the governor, who says he will sign that, and to union right to
president obama says he is giving in to republicans to save boehner face. >> you know what, republicans, you win, okay? you get what you want, but you lee had man alone. you leave this poor, orange man alone. you okay? >> yeah. >> i can't hear you. >> yes, yes. >> there he is. >> good day. i'm andrea mitchell live in washington. well, there they were side-by-side, and for real they were in the white house this weekend. president obama taking his message of...